I'll give you another. When did the word racism become redefined as discrimination by whites? In one of my classes a girl actually said that racism used to only be about white people mistreating black people, but now racists dislike anyone non-white. I was the only one to challenge her on that. After I spoke up others joined, but at first they were just going to accept it.

The news is full of Michael Richards' use of the "N" word. Agree with him or not, would the same coverage be made if he was black? What if he were of Asian descent? Native American? I've heard several talking heads refer to Richards as a 'white comedian", so the implication is that words have different meaning depending on who uses them.

Niggar is an ugly word, but it is thrown in our faces every day in hip hop music. I know, they say "Niggah".
Bullshit. My kid would still get in trouble if I heard him say "Fudge You!" Just like Cooky's Cafe in Golden City, MO, I don't allow substitutions.

So why do black people call each other nigger and white people can't?
Just because.
Why do Christians get scrutinized while other religions get a pass?
Just because.
If you believe in the Bible, then you shouldn't complain about it too much. The meek shall inheret the Earth and all that.

Could be Christians get scrutinized, because so many people are hypocritical in their Christian faith. CaptPicard here says he is a Christian, but joined a group of people who travel the world killing people. Many experts would tell you it was the Christian vote that put our beloved POTUS in office and he declared a "holy war." Remember that one definition of the word holy is "inspiring fear, awe, or grave distress." It may be a holy war, but it isn't a Christian war. If Georgie Boy had any true conviction in his Christian faith, he would have gone on national television the evening of September 11th, and forgiven the terrorists. Instead we invade a country that had little to do with the terrorist act, and claim we are doing it for the Iraqi people. Why? When Moses wanted to free the Isrealites, did he rampage through the streeets of Egypt causing wanton destruction. No. He didn't. That's because he was a cool cat. He let God handle it. The Bushmeister seems to think God needs his help. He's like a child that sets the kitchen on fire trying to cook breakfast before his parents get up. God comes running into the kitchen: G.W.!! what are you doing?
Georgie Boy answers, "Cooking breakfast."
"And what's the rule about cooking breakfast?"
Georgie shuffles his feet, and says, " I'm only supposed to make cereal, 'cuz I'm too little to play with fire."
"That's right," the Lord says, " and what about the sixth rule?"
"You shall not commit adultery."
"Oh yeah," God says, "I forgot you're a Methodist. what's the fifth rule?"
"You shall not murder."
"That's good Georgie, now clean this mess up, and while you're at it, take off that 'WWJT' T-shirt. Jesus wouldn't torture anyone, he's a good boy."
I personally don't see a real difference between Jew, Christian, or Muslim. After all, they all follow the God of Abraham. Call him Yaweh, Jehova, Allah, or "King Monkey of the Universe."
I've given up on all that jive. I've joined the Church of Appliantology. founded by L. Ron Hoover. Me and my model XOJ-37 Nuclear Powered Pan-Sexual Roto-Plooker are very happy together.

Your post is full of sweeping generalization. Cite an example of Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists getting a free pass while Christians are denied (we need to be talking about the same institution here) and you'll have yourself some discourse.

Find me a doll in the likeness of Mohammad that tells you when to pray, and I'll send you my Buddy Christ dashboard statue.

Let’s look at what Archie said. I’ll put my responses in Bold.




So why do black people call each other nigger and white people can't?
Just because.

No, Arch, not just because. Certain words were used as part of a culture designed to subjugate black people. Those words were, obviously, hurtful. Young black people have undertaken to ‘take them back.’ Perhaps, in time, those words will lose their sting. They haven’t yet. You can’t use the word (at least you shouldn’t use the word) because you are NOT part of the group that was belittled with it.

Why do Christians get scrutinized while other religions get a pass?
Just because.

Are you on crack? Truly, I want an honest answer. Christians get to run (I’m tempted to say ruin) this country. Muslim scholars are kicked off a plane for looking too Muslim. Sikhs get shit thrown at them. Cat Stevens can’t fucking fly (unless it’s on a moon shadow). What exactly is it that Muslims, Buddhists et al get ‘by with’ while Xtians get nailed?

Further, how many fucking Buddhists do you see on TV? When do they do something that hurts you? You don’t really see a lot of Buddhist soldiers, as Buddhism entails pacifism. I don’t want to get off on a tangent, but Buddhism is really more of a philosophy than a religion (it doesn’t require belief in deities, after lives, supernatural phenomena, etc) so possibly doesn’t belong in this discussion in the first place

Now for the Captain:

“In California there was a school which got upset at a student for wearing a t-shirt saying homosexuality is a sin and in many schools you can get in trouble for trying to host something Christian such as a Bible study but they have no such problems when muslims, hindus, or buddhists want to do something in a school”


first off, I support that slow witted kid’s right to wear his offensive shirt all he wants. I think that free speech is the most important right that we have. Of course, if that kid can wear his bigot gear, then I think that another kid should have shown up in a shirt that says “Jesus Gives Good Head” or “I Nailed Jesus” (the second one is funnier, IMO).

How would you feel about that? Would support the right of some teen to wear that shirt to school?

I might also add that a Muslim could well have chosen to wear a shirt nearly identical to the one you described. Muslims, Christians and Jews all believe in the same angry deity, and all have largely the same rules (when to pray and what to eat vary a bit). So, if a kid had a shirt that said “Allah hates Fags” would you support his right to wear it?

Here you go.

Oh look, the crackers want to give money to other crackers. How nice. I would like to point out that these dumb asses have every right to their stupidity. If they decide that other white, overpriveleged students deserve free money, let them waste their cash. It’s dumb and counter productive, but if they want to behave like children they can. That is, they can as long as they don’t convince some government agency to play their game.

First of all Yes I would support a kids right to wear I shirt I do not agree with this is america we should extend the same right to everyone wether or not we agree with it.
Secondly as for a free pass to other religions lets see 3 examples from 3 different schools in three different states. first one in Bangor Maine they had a international religion day where all faiths were encourged to bring something in to talk about that direclty related to there faith but I was banned from bringing in a Bible because someone might find it offensive. 2nd example in Suffern NY I was almost suspended for asking to hold a Bible study after school for people who wanted to come but every week a jewish group met at lunch time in the cafetria to share there faith. and finally in Cleveland Ohio we were banned from holding a annual prayer at the pole at 530am because it might offend someone.
Thirdly nowhere does it say as Christians that we are to be pushovers and not stand up(look at Jesus in the synagoue with the money changers) for ourselves nor does it say we cannot join the miltary to defend our country and I resent what you are implying when you call me a "killer" Yes my job is to help blow things up and kill people but we are not the mindless killers you seem to think we are Demannu

I didn't call you a killer. I said you joined a group of people who travel the world killing people. I had no idea what your job in the military was until you replied. Now that you have, I know for sure that you help kill people. You can resent it all you want, but if your actions cause the death of another person, then you are a killer. If you were a mindless killer then your actions could be excused. You are not mindless however, and that makes you a hypocrite. Just because the bible doesn't say you should be pushovers doesn't mean it condones killing.
So here's how you get around the whole hypocrisy thing. You can either renounce what you have done, and repent of the killing, or you can keep taking human life and stop masquerading as a Christian.
I personally don't care which you do.
You can continue what you're doing for all care.
But when I smell your B.S. in the air, I'm gonna call you on it... Killer.

By the way, were you denied the right to meet with other "christians" at lunch time? Or did you even try that route. The reason I ask is that you are comparing apples and oranges. Holding a bible study after school is not the same as having a discussion with your friends over lunch. I don't believe you were almost suspended for asking a question. More likely it was how you were "asking."
Were other groups holding an annual prayer around the pole in Ohio?

First of all Demannu I am a mechanic and have only ever held a gun twice in my whole life and that was to shoot at little carboard squares with paper on it. But my job is still the same. every one in the miltary helps to kill people and blow stuff up maybe not directly by pulling the trigger but we help by keeping everything running and making it possible. And nowere does the Bible say thou shalt not kill it does say thou shalt not murder but killing in war is not murder and there are times when war is nessacry. In response to your next post yes I was told we could not as christians have any mass gather time on school grounds for prayer and discussion among friends and that I could face suspension if I attempted to do it. and yes High schools in Ohio and around the states do prayer at the pole once a year.

Say what you want Killer, but you're just arguing semantics. I'll pray for you tonight while I'm looking at porn, you poor deluded agent of Satan.

And I will pray for you Demannu that one day you will get saved by Jesus good night and God Bless

Where is John Lennon when we need him?

LOL nothing like an off the wall comment to lighten up a situation eh steve

CaptKirk: "And nowere does the Bible say thou shalt not kill "

The Bible:

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shall not kill"
Deuteronomy 5:17 "Thou shalt not kill"
Matthew 5:21 "Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment"


The Captain: “it does say thou shalt not murder but killing in war is not murder”

This is an interesting position to take. Should we conclude then that no murder occurred at Dachau or Auschwitz? Are you saying that the Japanese did not murder any Americans when they bombed Pearl Harbor? Saddam didn’t murder the Kurds he had gassed after the assassination attempt on him? The 9-11 hijackers didn’t murder 3000 Americans in the Twin Towers? No one was murdered in Bosnia? There were no murders when Quantrill sacked Lawrence. KS? I guess you also think that Calley was wrongly convicted for the events at My Lai?

On to the religion thing: it make shock you to hear this, but religious observance of any sort should be excluded from publically funded schools.

Nathan, I would say that it should be all instead of nothing. Observe for everyone what everyone deserves. That is to say that Jews should have their holidays off and Christians should have there's off.

The main problem being that atheists would never have any days off from school barring snow or summer vacation.

I think that atheists need atheist holidays.


And, as for my previous comment, I reference Lennon simply because of the song "Imagine." I think the world might be better off without possessions, war, or ego... but maybe I'm just crazy.

What happened at the concentration camps was murder not war. When the japanese attacked pearl harbour as underhanded and decietful as it was I do not view that as murder. As for a tyrant gassing thousands of his own people that is murder as were the hijackers on 9-11. There is a fine line between the two at times yes but there is a difference.
Or do you believe every solider who has ever had to do his job should be jailed so instead of honouring all our ww2 veterans we should jail them for killing German and Japanese soldiers in battle or how about all the americans in the revoultion and civil war who had to kill should they of all been jailed. I promise you nobody would love more to never have to do there job than soldiers after all I have never met a soldier who enjoyed killing but we are proffensiols(spelling is awful I know) who have a job to do and when called on to defend our countries and the rights of her citizens we will do so

fuzz, you left out the most relavant part of that song!

"...nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too..."

cap'n, your examples, as Demannu pointed out, are either apples to oranges, or don't hold water. I'm thinking that we don't have the whole story on "international religion day".

Also, I know I'm guilty of this transgression from time to time (especially on the internet) but let's all review something.

There - as in "There it is" or "There is no need for religion at school"
Their - as in "Their main failing is that so few have actually read the Bibles they tote around outside of the verses that are pointed out to them in devotion books"
They're - A conjunction of the words "they" and "are" as in "They're main failing is that they refuse to consider any counterpoint."

Captain: "but there is a difference."


And, what is the difference? Explain please, as these were all acts of war committed by people at war.

killing in the course of war is not murder the nazis were not fighting the jews or gypsies or any other people in the camps they were simply murdering them. There are rules in warfare in case you did not realize. But the differnce between killing and murder lets see
Murder is when you willfull kill another person
Killing is when you kill a person for certain reasons: 1)defending yourself in battle
2)defending others say from a criminal(ect stoping someone from being raped)
Does that make the differnce any clearer

are those definitions from the bible?
I'm not questioning the legality of the action, but the morality as it relates to YOUR faith. And what about civilian casualties? Surely you wouldn't suggest we are at war with infants, but infants have died as a result of our bombs. Were they killed or murdered?

But, the nazis declared war on the jews. So, surely they were at war. And what about these: No one was murdered in Bosnia? There were no murders when Quantrill sacked Lawrence. KS? I guess you also think that Calley was wrongly convicted for the events at My Lai?

I'm not sure, but is it okay if people on your side kill, but bad when people on another side do it?

Yea your right civillians do die in war. It is not murder though just unfortunate. However just remeber that the media is very left wing and likes to bash the miltary also the terrorist groups are known to tamper with fotos and bomb site to make things occur that never did.
And no it is not murder when the opposing side kills our troops when they blow up a school or cafe yes i would call that murder but when they attack legit miltary targets it is not murder

The media is skewed in both directions - ever watched the "fair" and "balanced" Fox News Network?

Fox is more fair and balanced than lets say CNN. But every news station out there will be biased to some degree or other by the very fact that the people who lead them are biased

The American media is right wing. Trust me on this- I am a liberal and there are very, very few members of the mass media that share my ideology.

A little off topic I know but why does it seem that everybody views the media as skewed to the opposite side of what they think???

Because, it's easier to notice and remember the things you dislike.

"Because, it's easier to notice and remember the things you dislike."

Good point.